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December 24, 2003 Andy

Islam is Dangerous

I am not a scholar of religion in general, or Islam specifically. I am a practitioner of Nichiren Buddhism for some thirty years, and prior to that a product of a more or less mainstream American Protestant Christian upbringing. I read voraciously and have always been interested in the subjects of religion and politics and history, so that's some of what I voraciously read. These, for what it's worth, are my credentials for writing the following.

In the introduction of the Penguin Classics edition (first edition 1956) of the Koran, N.J. Dawood said of that book:

"For Muslims it is the infallible Word of God, a transcript of a tablet preserved in heaven, revealed to the Prophet Muhammed by the Angel Gabriel. Except in the opening verses and some few passages in which the Prophet or the Angel speaks in the first person, the speaker throughout is God."

The Arabic name (Qu,an or Qu'ran) means "The Recital."

Of equal importance to Muslims are the various "hadith," which are teachings, prophecies, "recitals" and subsequent commentaries about Muhammed and the Koran, and Islam in general. Like Christianity and other religions, there is quite a volume of material, much of it probably apocryphal, and there's really no way of knowing what's "the right stuff," other than by faith which is, of course, an entirely subjective and unprovable commodity.

Why am I, a Buddhist libertarian, getting into this, here? Because I love Buddhism and I love liberty and I believe that Islam poses a threat to both (and 'cause it's my blog! >8^). I'll 'splain.

One web site about the hadith...

< http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/reference/searchhadith.html >

...says this:

"There are many early hadith scholars and teachers to whom we are indebted for introducing the critical science of collecting and evaluating ahadeeth. These teachers each collected many different ahadeeth. They did not allow students to quote from their collections until the students had actually come to them and learnt from them directly.

"Today, the situation is different. The collections of ahadeeth have for the most part stabilized, and with the advent of the printing press, the collections are easily mass-produced."

In (my) other words, there's a lot of stuff in there that may or may not contradict itself and/or be in conflict with other parts. Anyway, here's an item I found, the first thing that popped up when I did a search for "jihad."

From the hadith, Complete Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 2, Number 25:

--> Narrated Abu Huraira:

Allah's Apostle was asked, "What is the best deed?" He replied, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad). The questioner then asked, "What is the next (in goodness)? He replied, "To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's Cause." The questioner again asked, "What is the next (in goodness)?" He replied, "To perform Hajj (Pilgrim age to Mecca) 'Mubrur, (which is accepted by Allah and is performed with the intention of seeking Allah's pleasure only and not to show off and without committing a sin and in accordance with the traditions of the Prophet)." <--

Then, from the same hadith,Volume 1, Book 2, Number 35, this:

--> Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet said, "The person who participates in (Holy battles) in Allah's cause and nothing compels him to do so except belief in Allah and His Apostles, will be recompensed by Allah either with a reward, or booty (if he survives) or will be admitted to Paradise (if he is killed in the battle as a martyr). Had I not found it difficult for my followers, then I would not remain behind any sariya going for Jihad and I would have loved to be martyred in Allah's cause and then made alive, and then martyred and then made alive, and then again martyred in His cause." <--

Yes, there's lots and lots of material in the Koran and the various hadith that do not deal with jihad, violence, booty and such things. There's good material about morality and clean living and much more. That's all fine. What is of interest to me (and, in my opinion, should be of interest to all of us), is the nature of passages, such as these above, which do address these matters. While you will find accounts of violence and war, even commanded by God, in the Hebrew Bible (the Christian Old Testament), you won't find such activity put forth as a litmus test for faith, today, or referred to as being next best "in goodness," and you find that modern Jews and Christians have evolved their religious beliefs and texts, to a greater or lesser extent, and modified their behavior accordingly. The Crusades and the bloody Protestant Reformation are over.

No such evolution has taken place in Islam. Elsewhere you can find clear expressions of inequality in terms of the roles of women versus men, and of non-Muslims versus Muslims, with a further distinction between people "of the Book" -- Christians and Jews -- who may be tolerated (as lesser citizens) under Islamic rule, and those who are not -- Buddhists, Hindus, pagans, etc. -- who may be killed with impunity and, in some contexts, must be, if they do not accept Islam.

In some societies you can see these beliefs in practice. In strict Islamic nations women are absolutely second class citizens, in many cases not being allowed to drive or work for a living outside of the traditional household roles, forced to cover their faces, etc. I have done business in Saudi Arabia, and a condition of Western companies working there is that they may not allow women on their staffs, in country.

Chattel slavery, including children as sex slaves, is actively practiced today only in Islamic nations (Sudan and Mauratania, to be specific). It is allowed by Islamic law, based on the Koran and the hadith. (And, as an aside, where is the noble United Nations on this issue? Oh, yes, I forgot. Those nations are part of it, and rotate through such duties as membership on the U.N. Human Rights Commission. Silly me.)

Again, I am talking about degree and practice more than attitude and belief. Where a fundamentalist of a Christian group sincerely believes that his faith is true and correct and that the "unsaved" are doomed to hell for all eternity, he has no brief, anywhere in his written doctrine, to either force that on others by violence, or execute those who do not accept it. Muslims have exactly that. That many do not practice or actively promulgate their faith in this way does not take away from this very key difference between Islam and the other Judeo/Christian beliefs, or Buddhism and other world religions. Those who wish to descend (or ascend, I suppose, depending on your point of view) into Muslim fundamentalism will find justification in the sacred teachings of Islam for murder and subjugation and slavery, now, in this life.

We saw this on September 11, 2001, and we have seen more and more of it in the past quarter century or so. As access to information increases globally and the world shrinks and Islamic fundamentalists are forced into contact with the infidels, the hard core of Islam is finding its soul, and some neighborhoods of that soul can be ugly places, and their denizens mighty scary people. It's convenient and politically correct to identify such folks as aberrations; not really even "correct" Muslims, but that is to ignore the real issue, and the true danger.

Call me intolerant, but realize that I, like most of you, will happily share my neighborhood with radical fundamentalist Muslims (assuming they agree to my country's laws) in peace. They would not do they same for me, if they were in charge. Look at some of those Muslim nations: they don't. This is not speculation, and it's that simple.

Islam is the biggest threat to freedom and liberty, both religious and secular, in the world today. This is not to say it can't reform itself. As Christianity has over the centuries evolved away from justifications for Crusades, so can Islam, but it must be confronted and addressed. Its basic tenets include inequality, hierarchy, authoritarianism, violence and repression. One hopes that moderate Muslims will gain strength and work to bring about such reform, but to date, there is mostly silence in the Islamic world, where people are either quiet about these excesses (the majority) or actively engaged in carrying them out (the minority, but a dangerous and apparently growing one).

As a Nichiren Buddhist, I consider it central to my bodhisattva mission to refute erroneous teachings which are, as Nichiren pointed out, the root cause of suffering in the human condition. I can't think of any teachings more erroneous, and more responsible for suffering, than fundamentalist Islam.

We ignore it at our peril.

Comments

In my studies of Islam, I came across a movement called Quranists, or Quran Only believers, who believe Islam's main problems are from distortions based on hadeeth, many of which are fake and contradict the Quran. The main group is called the Submitters and their site is http://www.submission.org founded by Rashad Khalifa who was killed a few years back by Al-Qaeda members. This website shows, based on Quran how Islam is so perverted and messed up now, and how Muslims are so brainwashed to believe evil ways and things that are against the Quran. Very interesting.

Hey Andy. While I share your concerns about intolerance and violence in the name of Islam, I would urge you to think about a couple of things;

1. You DID punch in the word Jihad in your search, so you were bound to find something like that.

2. It WAS a Haddith, which might be important, it isnt the Koran.

3. While I hold individuals responsible for their actions, I would urge you to think about the role that the mid-eastern nations have been forced into by the rest of the world. Islam has been used by people in power to control and oppress folks.

Im not saying that Islam is free of its crap, just that you might wanna give Islam a break.

Peter

Peter wrote: >

Peter (is that my friend in NYC?), I appreciate what you are saying, and I understand. I have investigated the path of thinking you express, and I think I've covered most of those bases. If you think not, or have further information or directions for me, please let me know.

It's just that, as I said in my piece, Islam is unique in embodying in its scripture sanction, and even encouragement, for violence. I don't say this lightly and, while the bits I quoted are from the hadith, check out the mainstream history of Muhammed and Islam, and the Koran itself.

He (Muhammed) was no stranger to slavery, violence, war, and massacre, participated in them all, and countenanced them all, and Islam does, to this day. This cannot be said of, for example, Guatama and Buddhism, or Jesus and Christianity.

Like I said, my friend, I hear what you are saying, but I don't hear anything to contradict or refute the points I made. Reluctance to judge is a good thing, and tolerance is admirable, but an excess of either, or turning a blind eye, can get us killed.

Cheers!

Andy

Hey Andy.

I guess that what really strikes me about this article has something to do with its title and that title's impact.

What you article is saying is that "Parts of Islam are Dangerous." Ask many a Muslim and they will tell you that Islam is a religion of peace.

I'm so used to the classic Hanlen equanimity that your stance in this article, that feels to me as if it focuses heavily on this most destructive aspect of Islam that certainly does exist, feels a bit foreign to me.

BTW, I've heard fo definitions of Jihad that mean the inner struggle or battle against one's own "evil" in the name of Allah.

Yes, Peter in NYC

Hi Andy,

I think the meaning of hadith is a bit more narrow than you assert. Hadith are descriptions of what Muhammad said and did. There is no way to verify them, but they have been handed down in an oral tradition from the time of Muhammad himself. Perhaps they have changed over time; I don't know. More is known about the life of Muhammad than any other major religious figure. There are also commentaries on the Quran and the Hadith, but these are clearly labeled as such.

There are hadith that say the opposite of your quotes; that it is a sin to kill women, children and civilians in war, that a soldier should stay home and take care of his family rather than go to war, etc. Also that the word "Jihad" can mean a personal spiritual struggle, as well as a national one.

The idea that Islam was born in and spread mostly by violence is a myth created by 19th century historians that has been mostly debunked by modern historians.

You state in your previous entry: "So, until we do get there, we need to focus on doing the best we can to deal with the world as it is, and do our best to build that better world. How? By focusing on our bodhisattva mission first and foremost, and spreading this Buddhism as widely and rapidly as is reasonably possible. In order to do that, we need to be sure not to alienate people."

Then you say, "Islam is dangerous," alienating about 1 billion Muslims. How do you reconcile these two views? I understand you feel you must refute erroneous teachings, but I wonder if you have discussed these issues with any Muslim, fundamentalist or not? Have you used the approach you used in your article, when discussing it with them? Do you think your approach will convince them of the error of their ways, or impress them with Buddhism? I think the causes of terrorism are far more complex than them finding documentary justification for their actions. You seem to be calling for a kind of Holy War yourself. Is this the best way to spread Buddhism far and wide?

John, thanks for popping in here. You always make me think. What you make me think with your remarks above is about how to address/resolve the issues as I have raised them. Alienating, indeed, and I really don't have a suggestion as to how to proceed, other than calling it like it is. My problem is that I see no other way to look at the matter, and until I do, I am at a loss as to how to speak to it. One can call Islam a "religion of peace" all one wants, but that does not make it so.

I agree that, as you say, "...the causes of terrorism are far more complex than them finding documentary justification for their actions." I did not mean to imply that that is the entire picture regarding terrorism, but, as often happens, when a single issue is addressed it has the appearance of speaking to more than is intended. Perhaps at a later date I'll address the larger issue of terrorism (which was NOT the primary focus of this essay).

You also said that "[t]he idea that Islam was born in and spread mostly by violence is a myth created by 19th century historians that has been mostly debunked by modern historians." I'd like to know which battles fought by Muhammed directly or by those under his instructions and command are myth, John. Which of the Jews and other enemies he exiled or massacred or enslaved were mythological? Could you share some of this debunking?

I don't know that it's fair to say that Islam was spread "mostly" by violence, but it is most certainly fair to say that violence was an integral and approved part of Muslim religious behavior from the very beginning, starting with Muhammed himself. That's no myth and, as I said in my essay, nearly unique in a founder of a world religion.

Thanks for writing.

Andy

"The idea that Islam was born in and spread mostly by violence is a myth..." I thought I had seen this argument made in a book I was reading, "And Muhammad Is His Messenger" (Annemarie Schimmel, 1985, U of No. Carolina Press.) But now, of course, I can't find it in there! Anyway, it's a good book on the topic. So, no, I can't be more specific without doing more research. True, Muhammad did not renounce violence, and sometimes instigated it. That many Muslims now call it a religion of peace is indicative of the reform of Islam you call for (hey... is there a trend in your thinking about religion here? ;-) ). You have made me think more about this issue as well. I don't have the answer either!

Hi,
Again, I refer you to the www.submision.org site, it is really interesting, and confirms what Andy raises as Islams problem. Islam was founded on intolerance, and bigotry. Once Mecca was the inter-faith center, with the building that housed all the people's respected objects of devotion, then Muhammed and his thugs busted in, and destroyed them all, but a black rock, and said for now on, all must bow to this rock. And that's why Islamic nations have no religious freedom, and they all bow to the rock at Mecca when they pray. Also, Islam is theocratic, meaning their Islam laws are their government, they can't be seperated. This is why most deep Muslims desire a Taliban state, and is why Kashmir and Chechneya are having terrorist problems, cuz the majority Muslims must breakaway and have their Islamic theocracy government. I'm not making this up. If Florida became majorily Muslim, they'd want to succeed to install sharia, and start stoning rape victims. Also see www.faithfreedom.org

Andy,

I was really surprised at this post of yours. When reading these snippets from Islamic writings, did it occur to you to try to put them in their cultural context? Just reading those words with only your preconceptions to inform them really doesn't prove anything at all. Consider this quote from your post: "The Prophet said, "The person who participates in (Holy battles) in Allah's cause and nothing compels him to do so except belief in Allah and His Apostles, will be recompensed by Allah either with a reward, or booty (if he survives) or will be admitted to Paradise (if he is killed in the battle as a martyr). Had I not found it difficult for my followers, then I would not remain behind any sariya going for Jihad and I would have loved to be martyred in Allah's cause and then made alive, and then martyred and then made alive, and then again martyred in His cause."

Now, let's imagine a Muslim happening upon an Arabic copy of Nichiren Daishi's Nyosetsu Shugyo Sho which says:

"It is impossible for me to disobey the decree of the Buddha, so I have started the war between the Provisional and the True teachings in compliance with the Lotus Sutra. Wearing the armor of perseverance, bearing the sword of the Lotus Sutra, raising the banner with the five characters or Myo-ho-ren-ge-kyo, the quintessence of the Lotus Sutra consisting of eight volumes, drawing the bow of the Buddha's declaration "I have not yet revealed the truth" and nocking the arrow of "honestly discarding the Provisional teachings", I have ridden the carriage drawn by the great white oxen and attacked and broken the gates of the provisional teachings. I have assailed and refuted enemies in all directions from eight and nine schools such as the Nembutsu, True Word, Zen and Precepts. Some ran away, some retreated, and those who were captured alive have become my disciples. Advancing or retreating, I continued to attack and defeat them but they are numerous while we are only a handful in defending the True Dharma. Therefore the war goes on even now."

and concludes: "No matter how many formidable enemies are arrayed against you, be sure that you never retreat and never be frightened by them. Even if your head were cut off with a saw, your body was pierced through with a lance, and your feet were shackled and drilled with a gimlet, you should keep chanting Namumyohorengekyo, Namumyohorengekyo. If you keep chanting it until the very moment you breathe your last breath, Shakyamuni Buddha, Many Treasure and the buddhas of the ten directions will fly to you immediately as they promised during the ceremony at the Holy Mountain (Eagle Peak). Taking your hands and carrying you on their shoulders, they will lead you to Eagle Peak. Then, the two sages, two heavenly kings, and the ten female rakshasa demons will guard you who uphold the Lotus Sutra, while various heavenly gods and deities will raise a canopy over your head and hoist banners. They will escort you under their protection to the Jeweled Land of Tranquil Light. How grateful we are for being blessed with such supreme joy!
"

One not familiar with the context of Nichiren Buddhism would think ours is an amazingly crude and warlike piece of dangerous zealotry! And, if we would reply to that Muslim with the example of suicide airplane pilots of 9/11, our Muslim could easily point to the scores of kamikaze pilots of WWII who boarded their planes chanting the Odaimoku and wearing Gohonzons on their chests.

Like all religions propagated by the countless incarnations of the Eternal Buddha of the 16th Chapter, Islam has the seed of provisional truth within it. It's practitioners are no more or less successful than the followers of every other provisional religion in separating the rice from the filth.

Happy New Year!
Richard

I dunno, Richard. I can't understand how you can be so comfortable calling every other religion "provisional" and seemingly comparing them to filth. The very thing that makes their beliefs provisional to you and yours superior may be what makes your beliefs provisional to them and theirs superior.

Peter

Peter

Funny thing is, yours is the exact point I'm trying to get across to Andy. First though, let me correct some misimpressions. I call every religion besides the Lotus Sutra "provisional" because that's what the Lotus Sutra and Nichiren Buddhism teaches, and I happen to be a Nichiren Buddhist. However, my calling Islam "provisional" in the same sense that the Buddha's provisional teachings are is actually my way to elevate Islam to the level of the Buddha's pre-Lotus Sutra teachings. There is much elegance, grace and truth in Islam, just as there is in all the world's great religions. Secondly, I am not comparing "every other religion" to filth. The reference to rice and filth comes from a Gosho where Nichiren Daishi advises not to mix other doctrines with the Lotus Sutra, arguing to do so is like mixing rice with filth, rendering even the rice filthy. An example of this can be seen in the Lotus Sutra's doctrine of universal salvation. Mixing or revising the doctrine of universal salvation with, say, a further doctrine that says that people in one's own religious group have preferential access to salvation mixes the "rice" of universal salvation with the notion of conditional salvation (the filth that ruins the rice.)

Every religion has those nuggets of truth within, but most times those nuggets of truth are ruined with the filth of ego-driven illusions. Andy identifies some things about Islam that he feels are examples of this. I'm pointing out that the same thing happens in every religion, even our own Nichiren Buddhism. So in this discussion Peter, I think you and I are on the same page.

Peter

Funny thing is, yours is the exact point I'm trying to get across to Andy. First though, let me correct some misimpressions. I call every religion besides the Lotus Sutra "provisional" because that's what the Lotus Sutra and Nichiren Buddhism teaches, and I happen to be a Nichiren Buddhist. However, my calling Islam "provisional" in the same sense that the Buddha's provisional teachings are is actually my way to elevate Islam to the level of the Buddha's pre-Lotus Sutra teachings. There is much elegance, grace and truth in Islam, just as there is in all the world's great religions. Secondly, I am not comparing "every other religion" to filth. The reference to rice and filth comes from a Gosho where Nichiren Daishi advises not to mix other doctrines with the Lotus Sutra, arguing to do so is like mixing rice with filth, rendering even the rice filthy. An example of this can be seen in the Lotus Sutra's doctrine of universal salvation. Mixing or revising the doctrine of universal salvation with, say, a further doctrine that says that people in one's own religious group have preferential access to salvation mixes the "rice" of universal salvation with the notion of conditional salvation (the filth that ruins the rice.)

Every religion has those nuggets of truth within, but most times those nuggets of truth are ruined with the filth of ego-driven illusions. Andy identifies some things about Islam that he feels are examples of this. I'm pointing out that the same thing happens in every religion, even our own Nichiren Buddhism. So in this discussion Peter, I think you and I are on the same page.

I dunno Richard. What is "provisional?" Is it an empirical value that can be placed, and if so, by whom? Don't we all judge that distiction by our own criteria? Even if we chose what we believe to be some Sacred Documents as our guides, have not we come by that beleif through a personal process?

P.

Peter asks: What is provisional? My use of the term refers to Nichiren Daishi's teachings of the Lotus Sutra, which recalls Shakyamuni's description of all of his pre-Lotus Sutra teachings as expedient means "provisional" to the circumstances of his time. Nichiren Buddhism posits that despite the claim made in the Lotus Sutra that the eternal Buddha has appeared in various guises preaching various doctrins over countless milennia, only in the Lotus Sutra itself do we get the unvarnished real deal truth and nothing but.

This construction is central to and is the foundation of Nichiren Buddhism. If you perform SGI or NST style Gongyo, it is what is talked about in Part A of Gongyo. Still, you are correct in that it is a personal decision to believe what Nichiren Daishi had to say on the subject, just as it was a personal decision on his part to place faith in the Lotus Sutra.

For myself, that decision was made through a body of research that never mentioned Nichiren Daishi or the Lotus Sutra at all. In an incredible book called "The Essential Unity of All Religions", Hindu scholar Bhagavan Das researched the teachings of all major religions known to him and through copious documentation showed that when stripped of unique cultural circumstances, every religion said pretty much the same things. The correspondence was uncanny, and gave the strong impression that all religions had one point source. I read that book long before I read the Lotus Sutra, but when I read the Lotus Sutra, I found an incredible correspondence between it's teachings and the findings of Bhagavan Das. Only in the Lotus Sutra the Buddha identified himself as the one point source of all those doctrines.

So for myself, my choice of Nichiren Buddhism was made part and prcel with a recognition of the value of all religions.

I read a book on Islam, what went wrong, and I think a couple of points of this book may be relevent
here. The book describes the history of Islam in our world, and in particular, when the Moslem
empire began to lose ground to the Christian west. I can't argue with the premise that Islam was the
best thing going, literally the light of the world, until about the 12th century. For science, philosophy,
enlightenment, Islam ruled the world at a time when Europe was trying to figure out how to dig an
outhouse. (The book does not deal with Nichiren, nor whether he could dig an outhouse. It pretty
much ignores the East. In fact desciples of Nichiren ought to appreciate the 12th century AD, or CE
as it is so correctly and politically referred to, as a happening time.)

Many think the Crusades did some damage to the empire of Mohammed -- wrong. Many think it was
Genghis Khan who weakened the Moslem empire -- wrong. What happened was the warriors of
Mohammed, when they failed on any front, became obsessed with the word of the prophet as a static
thing, the final word so to speak, and tried to revert to the past... always a bad idea.

The Christian/West threat was minimal and ignored, and of course, the conquerors were assimilated
by the conquered in the case of the Mongol Hordes. For a while this was good enough to let the new
Moslem (Ottoman) empire cruise, until about the 16th century when Europe began to catch up.
Pretty soon we had, instead of coffee exports from Yemen, trade through and bypassing the
Ottomans from new coffee plantations in the fertile grounds of Africa. The economics of the situation
continue to this day, as witnessed in the fact that the exports of Belgium excede those of the entire
Arab world, minus oil (explored and exploited by the non-Arab world).

Somewhere around the 16th century (I'm working from memory here) the Ottomans started losing
ground to the West in the Balkans (see Dracula), and in the 19th century Napoleon (followed by the
Brits) showed them that the Moslem world was incapable of withstanding an attack from Europe.
Egypt and Palestine fell, and we all know the incredible mess made by the interaction of Europe and
Islam in the 20th century, in which Islam generally allied itself with Hitler, except for a new place in
false power by the lackeys of the winners. You might recognize some names like "Hussein" if you've
ever seen Lawrence of Arabia, but we are talking Syria here, not Saddam. And Ibn Saud.

So what's my point? My point is, Mohammed created a church-state, a theocracy. Mohammed IS
the final word, the final prophet. There is no room for change. The Koran and the Sharia (?sp?) are
not only the best ruling orders, they are the only ruling orders. By command of Mohammed, straight
from God, there can be no other. Hence, theocracy. Church rules state.

And the lesson? For those of us in the United States, it should be obvious. Our founding fathers
labored both in article II of the Articles of Confederation and in the 1st amendment to the Constitution
to separate church and state. We let "in god we trust" slip in on our coinage during the civil war, and
"under god" as indoctrination during the cold war. The lesson is, when you mix religion, abhorant of
change, with government, it's bad to the bone. Times change. People change. The Moslems proved
it, and if they would only use a bit of the science they preserved for the Western world 1000 years
ago, they would know it.

I'm trying to think of a sub-moral for desciples of Nichiren here, be they attached to this faction or
that, and I'm tempted to say if Nichiren Dai Shonen were alive today he'd say, "Hey, I lived almost a
millenia ago and was concerned about my world. If I'd seen yours, I'd have been wiser than the idiots
who have used my name (and my teachings) in vain. I never had the arrogance to say mine is the last
(or only) word." I know there are a bunch of devout desciples ready quote the last word, but it's silly.
Jesus, Sidhartha, Mohammed, Lau Tsu, Confusious, anybody else, and I think you who are reading
this with any common sense will recognize that times change, people evolve (hopefully) and there can
be no last word to a seed that will become an oak yet doesn't know where to put its limbs. That's us,
humans, possible predecessors to the inheritors of the world, be they dolphin survivors of our human
plague or cockroaches.

The book is "What Went Wrong" by Bernard Lews, by the way, and the opinions and mistakes are
my own.

--
Don A. Hanlen

Hi all, you guys are "thinkers", spending a lot of time thinking how Muslims are crazy, brainwashed, and how Islam is an religion/idea of violence, etc., etc... [Let me give you a hint: Islam is not a religion although this is what it is referred to as]

Have you ever thought about what is the reason you are alive, and what is going to happen when you die, and what is the purpose of you being here in this world???????????

Answer these questions rationally and come to a conclusion. Let me know what you think.

If you can't answer these questions rationally, then, all of you with most of the world are fooling yourselves. And you will be accountable for what you do in this life. Just a reminder.

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