Some may take issue with my using the word cult to describe SGI because they see it as unnecessarily pejorative. Theyre comfortable saying that SGI has cult-like aspects, but calling it a cult is going too far. Many of these members are the same ones who express dismay about SGIs seeming refusal to become less cult-like. They dont understand why SGIs leaders and members deliberately allow the organization to maintain financial secrecy, adulate Daisaku Ikeda and obsessively demonize Nichiren Shoshu, to name three common complaints. In my opinion, acknowledging that SGI is a cult helps to explain a lot.
Cults characteristically exert control over members behavior and the information members receive about the cult, as well as members thoughts and emotions. This is referred to as the BITE model of cult influence: Behavior, Information, Thought, Emotion.
Until around 1990, SGI leaders made no secret about telling members who to marry. They used to tell gays to chant to be straight. Men were told to shave their beards and mustaches if they wanted to be good members. Members wore uniforms. In other words, behavior was overtly controlled in SGI. But the organization is no longer so obvious in its influence on member behavior.
Members still receive personal guidance from leaders and are taught to behave cheerfully, subscribe to the publications, recruit new members and participate in as many SGI activities as possible to create good fortune. And, of course, SGI gets people to sit down and chant twice a day. But if this is behavior control, some may argue that its ultimately benign because chanting is unquestionably always a good thing. Plus, whats wrong with being cheerful?
Instead of making members follow strict rules of behavior, SGI influences members thoughts and emotions, which in turn influences behavior. For example, many SGI members are afraid to visit a Nichiren Shoshu or Nichiren Shu temple because they have been told that temples are infested with demons and slanderers. This serves to keep members from shopping for an alternative to SGI or discovering first-hand information about other sects. So just with this one phobia, SGI can control both behavior and information.
In cults, theres a common phenomenon known as thought stopping, a learned response to information and ideas that threaten or contradict the groups teachings.
In SGI, all criticism is dismissed as negativity. The moment we hear criticism, we label it negativity or anger and immediately discount it and stop listening. If a member cannot maintain a cheerful, grateful attitude toward SGI, that person is having a karma attack, an obstacle to their happiness that they must overcome so they can be positive and cheerful once again. One must be positive and cheerful to get benefits from chanting or so goes the conventional SGI wisdom.
Is our training to put on a happy face an example of thought stopping? I guess its debatable, but thats how Ive seen it used -- to get members to squelch their own critical faculties.
Alternatively, when someone has a problem with something in SGI, we say: Chant about it. Instead of fully discussing criticism and thinking things through, we are advised to chant. Chanting is a wonderful practice, certainly. But when chanting is employed as a remedy for free thought and inquiry -- or is used to rationalize the groups deceptions (or make us forget about them for the time being), chanting becomes nothing more than a thought-stopping technique.
The BITEness in SGI is pretty obvious, I think. This is how it goes: You start to chant and you like it. Members, leaders and publications keep telling you that SGI is the only legitimate venue for your Buddhist practice, the best and only sangha sanctioned by Nichiren.
You are encouraged to read the SGI publications, which continue to reinforce the groups messages. You are discouraged unavailable from seeking out unauthorized information or putting credence in anything that you read on the Internet. Uncomplimentary views of Daisaku Ikeda and SGI are explained away in advance by telling members that SGI has many enemies who are all jealous of the organizations vast wealth, success and millions of members.
Members may have persistent questions about doctrine, organizational policy or how to apply Buddhism in daily life. They may find that their questions are not adequately answered. Even so, many do not search for a more fulfilling sangha because they have been conditioned to make excuses for the SGIs failings. From the very beginning of our membership, it is impressed upon us that we must protect the SGI, preserve the unity of the members above all, and be the change we wish to see in the organization.
If there is a problem with the SGI, the fault is with the person who recognizes the fault, or with common human failings, or with the low life-condition of the group. The organization itself, at its core, is not to blame and should not be scrutinized or criticized.
Even if we allow ourselves to admit that there are fundamental, systemic problems with the SGI, we most likely believe that these problems are remediable. We honestly believe that the SGIs stated aims are its true aims. We assume that everyone is working in good faith toward the same goal of helping people to practice Nichiren Buddhism. The last thing we think is that SGI is a cult and is therefore not playing by the same rules as an open, progressive organization.
Some members say, So what if its a cult? SGI has helped me a lot, given me structure and a sense of purpose. Besides, I dont care about organizational stuff. I just care about practicing Buddhism correctly.
This is the most insidious thing about SGI, in my opinion: the organization distorts Nichiren Buddhism to undermine members autonomy and increase their dependence on SGI, and promotes this as correct practice.
For example, consider the fact that you do not own the SGI-issued Gohonzon enshrined in your home -- it is the property of SGI dead link . For a one-time fee, SGI will loan you a Nichikan Gohonzon, the banner of SGI. Leaders and members spread rumors that other Gohonzon are demon infested or dont work.
Some members think, Great! We have more unity in SGI because we all embrace the same edition of Gohonzon. Conformity is often praised as unity in SGI. But whats more insidious is that SGI inserts itself into the most sacred and central aspect of Nichiren Buddhism: the relationship between the practitioner and the Gohonzon.
If SGI owns your Gohonzon, its not such a leap to say that they own your practice. And if they own your practice, its not such a leap to say that they own a large share of your mind and heart. After all, the Gohonzon is not just a paper scroll, Nichiren teaches, but the very essence of our life itself.
To be a good SGI member, you must have a Gohonzon that is approved by SGI. Leaders may rationalize this as protecting the members unavailable, but even Gohonzon inscribed by Nichiren himself are not approved by SGI. Perhaps many members are relieved that they do not have to choose from the dozens of Nichiren-inscribed Gohonzon available for free. But my point is that SGI pays lip service to freedom of choice and diversity, yet there is no choice with regard to the most essential and personal aspect of Buddhist practice.
Granted, most SGI members do not believe that the teachings of Nichiren have been manipulated to serve the self-enriching interests of a cult. We have been told for so long that SGI serves all humanity. Serving SGI is wonderful, we are told, because SGI alone is fulfilling the Buddhas decree.
In other words, the group itself perpetuates a belief in the unquestionable greatness of the group.
Most destructive of all, I think, is that SGI members are indoctrinated to never give up. In Buddhism, never give up means never give up on your own life and practice, and to be persistent in your quest for liberation for yourself and all living beings. This is a great Buddhist attitude, I think.
But in SGI, never give up is often invoked to mean never give up on the organization. No matter if participation in SGI requires you to compromise your personal integrity, never give up. No matter how you have to rationalize and make excuses, never give up. No matter that leaders and members consistently insult or ignore you, never give up. Keep begging, keep pleading for change, keep smiling. Hold on to SGI, no matter how humiliating or intellectually dishonest it may be for you. After all, we are told, Nichiren never gave up.
To me, thats the poison in SGIs BITE: convincing members that an abject, cringing dependence on SGI is really something noble, brave and Buddhist. I think Nichiren would be appalled.
The good news is that no BITE control is 100 percent effective or 100 percent permanent. As I said earlier in one of my comments on this blog, "SGI is like a cage that members carry inside themselves." To my shame, I spent years helping SGI members build and reinforce this cage. I feel obligated to say unequivocally that this cage may feel safe but it's really no more than a trap. There is a way out.
Best wishes,
Lisa J.
Comments
Hello Lisa:
What a weekend!..I pulled my tired old "I'm quitting" act out of the closet and held an impromtu floor show on the net!...Gee, what a dozen vodka martinis at the Monster will do to a girl!
In the bright, sober light of day, however, It's a different story...I have no intention of quitting...yet...no matter how much a part of me wants to...
And yes, you'll tell me it's brainwashing...a desire not to "destroy my own castle from within",etc...
Maybe it is...
But the fundamental thing is...I still trust the intentions of the SGI...
You write :
"...We honestly believe that the SGIs stated aims are its true aims. We assume that everyone is working in good faith toward the same goal of helping people to practice Nichiren Buddhism. The last thing we think is that SGI is a cult and is therefore not playing by the same rules as an open, progressive organization..."
Lisa...can you offer any evidence that the SGI is NOT "working in good faith toward the same goal of helping people to practice Nichiren Buddhism"?
I cannot...
Can you show that it does not"play by the same rules" as an open, honest organization?
(that may not be so hard to prove)...
If I believed that the SGI was NOT honestly working to help spread the practice and encourage its members...that it had some ulterior purpose...I'd be out of the door in a second!
You imply that this is the case...Supply the evidence, and I will take action...
I am not programmed...I AM capable of judging the facts...Show me!
Thanks
David
An interesting piece, Lisa. The problem is that the whole problem is so slippery. I speak for myself, of course, but I can't honestly say that I believe there is any ulterior motive or ill intent in the organization, Brian Holly talks about the "myth of the monolith," and I think he's right about that.
BUT, the organization does indeed behave badly, or rather, individuals within it do, just as you describe. Not all, and not all the time, but the preponderance of behavior stacks up, to a careful observer, to demonstrate that what you say is true.
And again the question: is this harmful or benign?
Back to me: I can not in good conscience support the organization and this fundmentally flawed paradigm, but there are many who can. Just like there are folks who, no matter how clearly it is shown that the Catholic Church has some stuff really wrong, will continue to dwell within the comfort zone of the Catholic Church.
What's it all mean? I dunno. Some folks are always going to be available for whatever strange cult or belief is promoted. Something over 10% of the population of the United States believes that Elvis is alive and well. I have no conclusions to offer, but I am convinced that the SGI-USA will not change substantively, if for no other reason than because there will be enough people to make it feel like it's doing something meaningful. It will continue to exist, but it will never be of much importance, and certainly won't lead this country to Nichiren Buddhism. The other 90% of the population has accepted Elvis' death as true.
A friend wrote this to me:
"My somewhat cynical observation is that SGI corporate is kind of like an alcoholic spouse. Normally he/she is normal, charming, etc... and every once in while he/she gets drunk, and pukes on somebody, or says something tactless, (or writes a we're the "one true sect" memo), and the sober spouse ends up making excuses, or cleaning up afterwards."
I thought that was pretty funny, and pretty accurate.
Cheers!
Andy
Andy's friend wrote:
"..."My somewhat cynical observation is that SGI corporate is kind of like an alcoholic spouse. Normally he/she is normal, charming, etc... and every once in while he/she gets drunk, and pukes on somebody, or says something tactless, (or writes a we're the "one true sect" memo), and the sober spouse ends up making excuses, or cleaning up afterwards."
Hmmm...Maybe I'm taking my ques from the corporation, then!
But doesn't this really point to an organization that's wrestling with these issues? That there are powerful voices working for change...as well as reactionary voices pleading for caution and fearful of change...
I mean look at all the cultish baggage we've DUMPED in three decades...is it customary for cults to steadily IMPROVE thier behavior? If SGI is a cult, then it has clearly shown a long term tendency away from such behavior...
And those sacred memos...take the one that said we're the only Mahayana buddhists on the planet...look at the memo closely...
That statement is simply quoted from a "World Tribune" article...it is not an official SGI declaration...it has no meaning or power of any kind....
And Brian's "Myth of the Monolith" is so deadly right on that it gives me hope that the SGI is a group of individuals who learn from and adapt to each other...the SGI changes incrementally each time a member or leader changes his/her way of thinking...
What keeps me invested in the SGI is the fact that what we teach is powerfully true...and is the most radically INDEPENDENT and ANTI-CULT philosophy in history...
Why a cult would choose as it's core doctrine the world's most self-empowering philosophy is beyond me...doesn't it follow that the wisdom gained from a sincere practice would enable a member to ultimately see the truth before him/her as regards the organization? Isn't that by design self limiting?
Anyway, wouldn't it be great if Danny, Matilda,Tariq, Ethan, Margie, Guy, Greg,etc. would share their insights on this subject? Wouldn't it be encouraging to see them openly and freely engaging in public dialogues of this sort?
Wouldn't it be great if the SGI welcomed tough questions with the same enthusiasm and confidence as Nichiren?
When we see that we'll all know that there is no need for this debate!
David
Does anyone know where we can get these free Nichiren-insribed Gohonzons mentioned in this recent posting?
Gabrielle
"Does anyone know where we can get these free Nichiren-insribed Gohonzons mentioned in this recent posting?
Gabrielle"
Dear Gabrielle:
Try these sights:
http://www.dsmunlimited.com/grp/grphome. dead link
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GohonzonInfo/
http://campross.crosswinds.net/Ryuei/index.html dead link
Derrick Main
Dear Lisa:
For the past two years I have been struggling against the prison of fear of leaving the SGI and trying to unravel SGIs Gordian Knot of cult think. I'm finding your articles on the SGI cult very helpful.
Thank you,
Derrick Main
Sorry Gabrielle,
I just found out that the first web address doesn't work.
The second one is good. They have Nichiren mandalas that you can down load:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GohonzonInfo/
and the Camp Ross one should be:
http://nichirenscoffeehouse.net/
Don Ross had some Nichiren Mandala's on his site.
Derrick Main
Andy wrote, "alcoholic spouse",... and the members are the enablers. Now is that a hopeless alcoholic? Can we get them to want to go to AA? Threaten to leave? Like in a marriage. How about cutting off their allowance? This May I'm going to propose in my distict that those who want to give money to SGI go ahead. But those who have questions unanswered about finances don't. Instead, how about we pay the the mortgage that month for the family, an amazing, compassionate foursome, who opens the door to their home to all of us 5 times each month. That's an organization of people I know personally and would have no trouble giving my support to in any shape or form. If SGI wants "their" Gohonzon back, OK. I have another one deep inside my life!
Believers in the Lotus Sutra should fear those who attempt to obstruct their practice more than they fear bandits, burglars, night raiders, tigers, wolves, or lions - even more than invasion now by the Mongols. This world is the domain of the devil king of the sixth heaven. All of its people have been under the rule of this devil king since time without beginning. Not only has he built the prison of the twenty-five realms of existence within the six paths and confined all humankind within it, but also he has made wives and children into shackles, and parents and sovereigns into nets that block off the skies. To deceive the true mind of the Buddha nature, he causes the people to drink the wine of greed, anger, and foolishness, and feeds them nothing but dishes of evil that leave them prostrate on the ground of the three evil paths.
When he happens on persons who have turned their hearts to goodness, he acts to obstruct them. He is determined to make believers in the Lotus Sutra fall into evil, but if he is unsuccessful, he tries to deceive them gradually by luring them toward the Flower Garland Sutra, which resembles the Lotus Sutra. This was done by Tu-shun, Chih- yen, Fa-tsang, and Ch'eng-kuan. Then Chia-hsiang and Seng-ch'an were the evil companions who craftily deceived believers in the Lotus Sutra into falling back to the Wisdom su-
tras. Similarly, Hsan-tsang and Tz'u-en led them toward the Profound Secrets Sutra, while Shan-wu-wei, Chin-kang-chih, Pu-k'ung, Kobo, Jikaku, and Chisho deceived them into following the Mahavairochana Sutra. Bodhidharma and Hui-k'o caused them to stray into the Zen school, while Shan-tao and Honen tricked them into believing the Meditation Sutra. In each case, the devil king of the sixth heaven possessed these men of wisdom in order to deceive good people.
This is what the Lotus Sutra means when it says in its fifth volume, "Evil demons will take possession of others." The great demon of fundamental darkness can even enter the bodies of bodhisattvas who have reached near-perfect enlightenment and prevent them from attaining the Lotus Sutra's blessing of perfect enlightenment. How easily can he then obstruct those in any lower stage of practice! The devil king of the sixth heaven takes possession of the bodies of wives and children, and causes them to lead their husbands or parents astray. He also possesses the sovereign in order to threaten the votary of the Lotus Sutra, or possesses fathers and mothers, and makes them reproach their filially devoted children.
Letter to the Brothers
Micha, that's the best thing you've written. Good job, dude!
Andy
Thats right Andy!
Considering you luring others out from SGI with your sweet talk to become independent and you attempting to obstruct their practice, one should fear you and Lisa and those who support her more than they should fear bandits, burglars, night raiders, tigers, wolves, or lions.
MA
Lisa says, "...Until around 1990, SGI leaders made no secret about telling members who to marry.
Lisa, this is something that still happens in SGI, it just happens in a more secretive way now. I know of two instances just in my own area where pressure was put on two leaders to break up with their significant other of choice to marry someone who was a "better influence in faith." This happened in the past five years or so. Hey, I do not make this up, email me and I'll name names, although I'd rather not, since this problem is a problem with the SGI organizational structure, not individuals per se.
SGI was a cult 30 years ago, and still is. I didn't know it, most of us didn't. Many of the things I've learned in SGI have been positive. But, huh uh. Overall, SGIs destructive cult ways, some of which you have mentioned, far outweigh its benefits to any of its members.
In reading Hassan's books, it is interesting to me that the Moon organization has a similar leader/member structure to SGI. Just noticed that while reading.
Having been a SGI member for 35 years now, I still have many SGI-think philosophies deeply ingrained in my psyche. Here's an example:
I would like to attend an NST function, not necessarily to join that sect, but just to chant with them, hang out and see what they are doing. Who knows? Maybe I would like to join? I don't do this though, because of the fear I have of bad repercussions in my life. Yes, this is paranoid, but, even though I'm a very intelligent person, the propaganda/cult machine of the SGI does have its subtle and not so subtle influence on all its members.
The internet,
Yay
Micha said that "one should fear [me] and Lisa and those who support her more than they should fear bandits, burglars, night raiders, tigers, wolves, or lions."
Wow! Are we scary, or what? Who knew we had such power? This makes Lisa and I like a Buddhist Bonnie and Clyde. Maybe Thelma and Louise? Wait, wait! I've got it:
Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid! Yeah, that's it!
Be afraid. Be VERY afraid!
Seriously though, Micha, it must be awful, living with that kind of fear. Perhaps you could try chanting about it? You might feel better.
Hugs & kisses,
Andy
I'm disappointed, Micha goes and names Andy and Lisa as worse than bandits, burglars, night raiders, tigers, wolves, or lions but I'm not even mentioned or alluded to! And after all my hard work! It's just nice fair. I'm taking my marbles and going home....
Namu Myoho Renge Kyo,
Ryuei
Oops. I mean to write "it's just NOT fair..." See, I got so upset I didn't even know what I was writing.
Namu Myoho Renge Kyo,
Ryuei
Another interesting post, Lisa - but aren't a whole bunch of religions out there "cults" by this standard? I mean, look at all the dispensationalist Christians (oops, here I go again) - are their thoughts and emotions controlled by fear and thought stoppage? Probably. Look at everybody pouring out to see the Gibson picture like there's something cleansing about cruelty. Is that emotional manipulation? I dunno.
The post from a reader above about marriage sort of took me by surprise - I didn't think the organization was still doing that. At least it's not where I am (LA).
This morning's daily guidance was all about "malicious people" who want to tear down or hurt the Soka Gakkai. That constant characterization of criticism as being necessarily malicious is a problem, I think. Not all criticism is malice, and not all anger is malice, either.
I guess one of my biggest fears in questioning the organization has to do with losing friends, or of being abandoned if something bad (such as an illness or accident) should befall me. I've seen that done to members who stayed with the temple (something I would be unlikely to do, since I've never bought much of their doctrine)...i.e., well, you see how he suffered and died a miserable death. Who wants people standing around one's bedside waiting triumphantly to point at one's pain in order to to "prove" the danger of asking questions? Yuck. That whole focus on the "quality" of people's deaths feels seriously uncompassionate to me, and is something I don't particpate in. Well, Bye for today, I have to go get the car fixed. Byrd in LA
Interesting posts about marriage....I don't know much about SGI telling people who to marry, but I do know that my husband and I were discouraged in subtle and not so subtle ways from marrying. He had been a member for eight years and I was a new member. We received veiled references to the "devil of the sixth heaven" and my husband received direct guidance that he would be impeding my faith if we married. We have been married for twenty years and have four children. Has it been easy? No. Has my practice suffered? I probably would have left SGI after only a few months if I hadn't married him. Instead I stayed for many years of UNhappiness. I am much happier without the SGI in my life....
Lisa, Great comments about Cult Mind Control. This book should be required reading by anyone who has left SGI.
Two years out of SGI and I still recognise the fear and superstition planted in my mind. My life is better than ever. No catastrophies or illness, just the fresh air of freedom in my study and practice. Sometimes I get angry at SGI's manipulation but to be angry is sometimes perfectly natural, right?
SGI did away with the uniforms...but now they want you to wear them inside. It takes courage to walk away and find mainstream Buddhism. But it's worth it.
Patty
Ah.... Sigh....
The answer to the SGI cult problem is simple. Walk away, experience life without the cult. I have never left SGI, but then I have never been caught in the webs described by Lisa. As much as I truly love Lisa and her work, there is a hidden little piece of real "despise" I keep inside me for the fact she was a propaganda engine at one time. I read the blog. I basically agree that this was, has and may be happening. For me however, it never happened, or I didn't buy in. No doubt however I will never be asked to become a paid staffer.
Funny thing when I finally waded through the responses to Micha's replies - Micha should serve all of us "die culty" hardliners as a reminder that cultism is a function in human life. For every abused souse there is an abusive spouse. It becomes a matter of a relationship, not who's fault it is.
SGI is a cult. SGI however isn't one of THOSE cults. Micha is a reminder to me (your milage may vary) that there are those of us that seek out the cult, and if we can't find it we make it for ourselves with whatever raw building material we can find.
Rev. Greg, Shidoshi
Gosh, Byrd, I'm in LA area too. Pleased to meet you.
LA,
Yay:)
Greg, your last post may just be the most rationalization that I've seen out of you yet.
P
Greg, I disagree with your premise that cults are acceptable. "Just leave" isn't an option for some who are married to leaders, etc. Have you read the book?
You call Lisa's work "propaganda". Why don't you address the subject at hand here-the dynamics of mind control-instead of attacking the messenger?
Patty
Some random comments:
"Just leave" is always an option, no matter who you are married to. As Lee pointed out, "There must be 50 ways to leave your lover," and at least that many to leave your religion. The issue that it may be emotionally wrenching is an issue of the individual's emotional attachment, not an issue of "mind control." It was terribly painful for me to leave the Presbyterians when I was a young man who became convinced that the central tenets of Christianity were false. It was very difficult. But I don't think the Presbyterians were using CULT MIND CONTROL, which is a lot of hooey.
Next, I have heard stories of leaders telling people who to marry, and it's appalling, of course. But here's the Myth of the Monolith again -- Nobody where I practice was ever told who to marry or not to marry. And why in the world did people tolerate this nonsense? The offical line on guidance is that it is to lead the person to the Gohonzon and then make their own decisions. I realize that there was a lot of unofficial violation of this standard. But it should simply be called for what it is whenever it occurs. I remember once a leader trying to urge me to a particular decision that I thought was a personal one (about exchanging my Nikken Gohonzon) and I simpy told her where to get off in no uncertain terms. You just tell the leader that he or she is waaaaay out of line.
Finally, I think this is a wonderful suggestion:
" This May I'm going to propose in my distict that those who want to give money to SGI go ahead. But those who have questions unanswered about finances don't. Instead, how about we pay the the mortgage that month for the family, an amazing, compassionate foursome, who opens the door to their home to all of us 5 times each month. That's an organization of people I know personally and would have no trouble giving my support to in any shape or form."
The recent WT devoted the front page and centerfold to an article by Danny Nagashima entitled "A New SGI-USA Emerges." At the core of his message is shakubuku and the reorganization appears directed towards these efforts.
First, the geographic reorganization appears more oriented towards where certain leaders reside as opposed to any kenzoku-based relationships or history of the development of those regions. In particular, what is the connection between the States of Washington and New Mexico? Or, Texas and Ohio? He states, "The idea is to fully empower these zones to pursue kosen-rufu in the way most appropriate to the unique cultural circumstances of their respective areas." And, "aiming toward a future of "five SGI-USAs."" Huhhh! Overall, it sounds like an effort to put more heavyweights in charge of smaller numbers of members. Maybe they'll fire 'em up "to awaken an unprecedented number of truly happy individuals to join our ranks."
SGI-Japan seems to have stabilized at about 8-10 million members, depending on the source. Several sociologists have explained this growth as a result of the unique religious, cultural and economic climate in post-war Japan.
SGI-USA may have already reached critical mass. Any way you toss the dice, it is a cult. Mostly benign, but nevertheless a cult. Over the past forty years we have tried every which way to grow from door-to-door shakubuku, american flags, and roller skates, and have developed a hard-core membership of about 60,000. SGI is convinced Americans are waiting for SGI Buddhism. And this is, as opposed to...what? If so, how come we haven't grown? We've shaken up the organization countless times and promoted potential leader after leader, only for them and the membership to burn out. What will be different this time? Have they ever considered that this effort might be a failure?
We will not subject our members to these ridiculous endless campaigns for Soka glory. We will encourage our members to constantly challenge and develop themselves, become successful in whatever endeavour they choose, and create deep and meaningful relationships with their families and friends.
SGI has tied recruitment to Boddhisattva compassion, saying that only by recruiting other mebers can one be happy. We totally reject this idea. Boddhisattva practice is daily life; the interactions we have with our friends, family, on the job, at school, and in our community. By us developing ourseleves we make a difference, day-in and day-out. As we grow there is a natural curiousity by others and opportunities to introduce people will unfold. Likely most will just think of us as an interesting group of people. Some others will think us weird. If so, fine. We are a diverse society, so they say.
The world is not coming to an end as SGI would have us believe. There is no mappo! SGI wishes us to beleive we have a noble mission to save the earth before it's too late. Pssst! We save the earth by being the best human beings we can and one way is to polish the supposed Buddha nature tucked away deep inside our brains. Chanting daimoku is our fundamental practice in this regard.
Should we still be a little cult twenty years from now, we will not look back. It's a little late to roll back the pre-eminent world culture. Maybe we are just planting a seed that will grow a thousand years from now. That's fine.
Mr. Nagashima also states the recent WD appointments were "approved by SGI." Well, so much for independance from Japan. Maybe some day we'll have a Santa Monica sushi party and say farewell. Red meat, anyone?
Mike Y, et al.
Brian asks: "And why in the world did people tolerate this nonsense?"
If you were to look into the history and research regarding mind control from Mao Zedong to Jonestown, you might find an answer. You are convinced that mind control is a lot of hooey -- perhaps because you believe that your own mind is inviolable. In that case, "Cults in Our Midst" by Margaret Singer might surprise you. "The Manipulated Mind" by Denise Winn is a good overview, starting with the Korean War and looking at Pavlov and conditioning. "Battle for the Mind" by William Sargant (I think) deals with the physiology of conversion. Interesting stuff.
Best,
Lisa J.
Brian, I don't think that you have much clarity on the subject of mind control in the context of SGI. You stated: ",,,
I was a young man who became convinced that the central tenets of Christianity were false. It was very difficult. But I don't think the Presbyterians were using CULT MIND CONTROL, which is a lot of hooey."
I agree with you here about the switch from Christianity to Buddhism. I come from a Baptist background, and to the best of my knowledge, most of them don't practice strong mind control and manipulation either, even though they can be considered fundamentalist Christians. Not even one of them told me that I was going to hell or the like when I started chanting, nor have I heard anything like that from them over the years I've been and SGI member. Believe me, I would have, since they are members of my family.
Now, your premise that it is easy to leave SGI, especially if your spouse is a leader, simply is not true, unless of course your spouse leaves at the same time. We are not talking here about a benign religious group.
Just hoping that you will open your mind to the possibility that some of the others here may know more about the subject being discussed than you do.
Why not read some of the books Lisa has suggested?
Love ya,
Yay
Lisa, there is no such thing as mind-control. The theory of "brainwashing" that arose after the Korean War was blown up 30 years ago. Singer's theories have been rejected by everyone in the field. It's rank pseudoscience, and carries about as much weight as the theories of Velikovsky.
And actually I know why people tolerated this nonsense -- it's because SGI, like all forms of Buddhism, and indeed all forms of religion, has a certain percentage of peoople looking for someone with a "higher" wisdom to make their decisions for them. They want the security of the "one-down" position. Of course, this is directly at odds with the fundamental message of Buddhism, but it is very common, and SGI has no monopoly on it. You will find it among Presbyterians, Hindus, whatever. - Brian
Brian, you suggest that those whose behavior is manipulated by a group just want the "security" of ceding responsibility to a "higher" wisdom. There may be an element of that, sure. My point is that many people -- not just Singer -- have studied and written about the phenomenon of mind control and psychological conditioning. Anyone can say, "Pavlov was a crackpot!" but his research still stands.
Have you taken a look at either of the Hassan books? If not, please e-mail me privately. I would be happy to buy one for you and send it via Amazon. Or the Singer book. Or any of the books I mentioned. Your choice. Just send me your mailing address.
Best,
Lisa J.
Los Angeles Mike offered an interesting discussion of the "new SGI-USA and the regional re-organization along the lines of where leaders are and not the organic development of the local groups. This is true on all levels, I have noticed. When my district was re-organized, wehad already achieved (through massive home visit campaigns) an organic structure which could easily have been made "official" with little or no bother. Instead, there were a series of secret meetings to which the people who were doing most of the work and who had the most input to gifve were cordially not invited. I think it's too bad that for watever reason, the higher levels of the organization do not trust kosen-rufu to develop organically and naturally, but have to re-organize repeatedly without asking the people who are going to be the most impacted. Oh, well....I will check out the books this week, Lisa and get back to you.
Yay - I couldn't e-mail you, send me an e-mail off-board and we'll talk. Byrd
Peter - you're just flat out on my case. Thanks.
The problem with bringing me around to your point of view Peter is that I act on my own life experience, and I havn't experienced the things discussed in this discussion of how SGI is a cult. I do not, for a second, deny they happened however I'm not about to run away screaming CULT!!! because of what SOMEONE ELSE LET HAPPEN TO THEM. (I'm not yelling, I'm emphasising)
Think about it for a second, Peter and everyone, what if you could, with the wave of a magic wand, instantly stop SGI from being a cult. BOOM! With one wave all leaders would stop cultish guidance, and in short all the behaviors outlined to Hassan's books would cease.
What do you think would happen? Culties would JUST GO FIND ANOTHER CULT. A cult, in the case of SGI is a relationship, not just evil Ikeda praying on the innocent minds of the poor ignorant deluded.
I support Lisa's war cry, but I must say that cultism is a function of human life. No one taught any leader that they should tell whom another should marry. This was just naturally made up on an individual basis. The problem is as much with those who follow assinine guidance as which those who pass it on.
Ok, I'm not reaching Peter, I can tell. Try this Peter, it's not SGI's fault, it's EVRYONE'S fault. Leaders, members, paid staff, Pres. Ikead, it's everyone's doing.
Pop-Buddhism is created in every aspect of SGI, from the top down, and the bottom up. It's just natural.
Rev. Greg, Shidoshi
In the book were discussing, Hassan differentiates between brainwashing and mind control. Brain washing involves coercion, threats and possible torture.
Mind control requires the participation of the person. Take one aspect, cognitive control. SGI publishes all of its own study material. The top leadership decides what to study each month and publishes it. All books sold in SGI bookstores are approved by SGI. Even loyal SGI authors must have their books approved before they can be used as official study material.
This all contributes to the right way of thinking in SGI. Weve all been at meetings where the leaders control conversation back to what President Ikeda says. Each member has years of conditioning like this and quickly learns what is and isnt approved of by leaders.
There are a few SGI members who have a broad knowledge of mainstream Buddhism, but this certainly isnt encouraged. Theyre even put down as Sharihotsu types or arrogant. This happens in differing degrees depending on your area and the leaders.
Why are we surprised that mainstream Buddhist concepts dont sound right to the well-trained SGI member? Cognitive dissonance. Every SGI member establishes her comfort level with this control, this is true, and we all have different approval needs and need to be part of the "right" group. You can't blame the victim because the system, (SGI), is dishonestly calling itself the voice of Buddhism.
Patty
Dear Lisa,
First - I'd like to express my admiration about the site (which I didn't explore in full-yet:). You are doing an excelent job and I sincerely hope You receive all the benefits that are coming Your way. You deserve each and every one of them!
Second - I was initiated in N.Y., in 1988., and it was one of the best things that ever happened to me (I didn't know it then). The person who shakabuku-ed me was my ex, and check this out : her name is Lisa Jones !!! I did think that You might be her, which is the main reason why I entered the site. And I am glad I did, because I like it.
I would like to thank "my" Lisa for pointing me to the right direction, but I lost touch with her, years ago. And if anybody from N.Y. who knows her, is reading this, please send my regards.
Thanx for everything, Lisa!
Damir
Some comments to Patty and others:
Very few members know much about 'mainstream' Buddhism. There are probably more that know something about meditation, and I've met a few knowledgeable about Scientology and Eckankar. In my expereince, Have also seen very few who could speak knowledgeably about Chrisitanity or Judaism, although those were usually quickest to criticize their former religions. Most of the potential members who knew something about Buddhism decided there wasn't enough to our practice to suit their tastes.
Regarding marriage there used to be tremendous pressure on members to marry other members and I have seen several arranged marriages over the years. Average success rate, I guess. That notwithstanding does not mean there does not exist a desire for members to marry other members. Most people would love to marry someone of the same religion, hopes, dreams, and expectations.
In areas of the country with smaller numbers of members, the pickings can be awfully slim. Even here in LA the number of marriages between members is not great.
Some people who leave SGI do eventually make their way to other cults. For the most part, SGI was not what they expected, or they were not ready for what was expected of them.
Mike Y., et al.
Mikey: "Some people who leave SGI do eventually make their way to other cults."
Me: lol. Some probably do. Right at the moment I have no desire to affiliate myself with any religious group. I do feel that, having gone through years in SGI, having read several books on the cult subject, along with being hopefully, older and wiser, that I should indeed have some definite guidelines in mind when choosing my next religious group.
Mikey: For the most part, SGI was not what they expected, or they were not ready for what was expected of them.
Mike Y., et al.
Me: Yeah, that about sums it up, Mikey.
"Mind control" is just Hassan's and Singer's rhetorical overkill for persuasion. The whole idea is pseudoscientific bunkum. Here's a brief overview of how the scientific situation developed:
" In the United States, theories of brainwashing and mind control as applied to religious minorities have been debunked from at least ten years. The American Psychological Association (APA) in 1984 allowed Margaret Singer, the main proponent of anti-cult mind control theories, to create a working group called Task Force on Deceptive and Indirect Methods of Persuasion and Control (DIMPAC). In 1987 the final report of the DIMPAC Committee was submitted to the Board of Social and Ethical Responsibility for Psychology of the APA. On May 11, 1987 the Board rejected another report and concluded that the mind control theories, used in order to distinguish "cults" from religions, are not part of accepted psychological science. The results of this document were devastating for mind control theories. "
Lisa, I thank you for your kind offer, but you needn't bother. I have read plenty of Singer and Hassan -- a few years ago I was very interested in researching this idea -- or rather why it persists as an urban legend given the fact that (unlike Pavlov's ideas) it is wholly without scientific support. It belongs in the same category as N-rays,the luminiferous ether, and Atlantis. If I want to read psuedoscience, I'll go and read books about the Templars and the Holy Grail -- they are at least amusing pseudoscience.
Anyone interested in looking into this further can find some good articles on the net:
http://www.cesnur.org/testi/gandow_eng.htm
http://www.cesnur.org/testi/melton.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mind_control
http://www.answers.org/CultsAndReligions/mind_control.html dead link
http://www.cesnur.org/testi/daubert.htm
http://www.cesnur.org/conferences/BrainWash.htm
There are plenty of real things wrong with SGI; plenty of things that are valid targets of criticism. Jumping on the "mind control" nonsense just makes it look like you've lost your objectivity.
Brian, interesting links. Nowhere in them, though, was anything said that made me think that Mr. Hassans' opinion on cults and mind control was in any way comparable to N-Rays or Atlantis. I did notice that the courts discounted brainwashing as a defense in a couple of criminal cases, which is as it should be:
"In one major case, U.S. v. Fishman ((1990), Case No. CAR-88-0616-DLJ No. Cal), a decision was made to flatly reject brainwashing based testimony on the basis of the Frye rule of general acceptance. The plaintiff had sought to use as a defense in a mail fraud case that he had been brainwashed by Scientology and that this is what led to his breaking the law. This defense was rejected after a spirited exchange during the pre-trial phase of the case that included submission of considerable material critical of brainwashing theories (Anthony and Robbins, 1992, 1995).
In a case decided after Fishman and referring to it as precedent, Green and Ryan v. Maharishi et al. (U.S.D.C. No. 87-0015 and 0016 (1991)), brainwashing based testimony was again rejected. This time the rejection occurred after an initial trial court decision in favor of civil plaintiffs seeking damages for allegedly being brainwashing into participating in the Divine Light Mission. On appeal, the decision was overturned and the case remanded for further evaluation of the testimony of a well-known brainwashing "expert." [9] The trial court's review of brainwashing testimony was then done using a criterion of "substantial acceptance," a lesser standard than general acceptance, and such testimony was still rejected under this lessor standard.
These two federal court decisions have been cited since in other cases, and the decisions have apparently had something of a deterrent effect. Claims of brainwashing and mind control are heard less in courts across America now (Anthony and Robbins, 1995) This does not mean that new religions are winning more cases, however, as negative sentiments against newer controversial religious groups run deep, fed by tragic events such as occurred at Wac and more recently in San Diego, with the mass suicide of 39 people. However, for whatever reasons, there do appear to be fewer overt uses of brainwashing based claims in contemporary court actions."
Brian, the version of mind control that Lisa is talking about and the version you are talking about seem to be two entirely different things, especially with respect to SGI. I wonder if perhaps we could all get on the, er, ah, wavelength?
Yay
Brian, I think Yay has a good point: It seems that we are talking about two different things. The comments on this thread pertain to my post about SGI and the BITE model, and a little bit on thought stopping. So may be we can focus on that right now. I would be interested in your views regarding how the BITE model applies or doesn't apply to SGI.
Best,
Lisa J.
Someone apparently doesn't know what the word control means. - Brian
Well, I guess my last comment was a tad cryptic, so let me spell it out: there is nothing to Hassan's stuff except a systematically derogatory rhetoric. The perfectly sesnible notion of persuasion has been replaced with the scare-word, "mind-control." And Hassan's stuff is even less scientifically based than Singer's. Hassan himself has no appreciation whatever for scientific thinking, as evidenced by his belief in the existence of widespread, organized Satanic ritual abuse. To adopt Hassan's language is simply to adopt a biased, evaluatively loaded vocabulary which systematically distorts reality. When we look at Lisa's blog entry that this is appended to, we see that that is exactly what has happened. It's not the people found SGI's teachings persuasive and that some leaders abused their trust, NO, it was CULT MIND CONTROL. The only thing that is gained by adopting this vocabulary is the ability to frighten and bamboozle. "Cult" is simply a religion the writer doesn't like, and "mind control" is simply persuasion the writer doesn't like.
Hassan talks about mind control as changing someone's views "without informed consent." Jeesh, that's what happens to me whenever I find that the other side has better arguments. This stuff is intellectual trash, and simply diverts attention from a realistic and objective assessment of SGI's strengths and flaws. - Brian
On a lighter note...I came across this picture of Ikeda...
http://www.toride.org/gif/Egoukan.gif dead link
Isn't he dreamy?!? ;P
Brian says: "It's not the people found SGI's teachings persuasive and that some leaders abused their trust, NO, it was CULT MIND CONTROL."
No, Brian. I'm saying that the organization is deceptive and manipulative, distorts Nichiren Buddhism to serve its own aims (political and financial, which I will get to in future posts), uses fear and threats to coerce member allegiance, and actively promotes member dependence on the organization. The word that many apply to such an organization is "cult." Cults share similar characteristics and tactics, which are spelled out in Hassan's books, and he identifies these tactics as mind control.
Brian says: "The only thing that is gained by adopting this vocabulary is the ability to frighten and bamboozle. 'Cult' is simply a religion the writer doesn't like, and 'mind control' is simply persuasion the writer doesn't like."
I use the word cult because it applies; it is an apt descriptor. I happen to like Nichiren Buddhism quite a lot -- I wouldn't bother to voice my concerns about SGI if it were otherwise. And Brian, persuasion is one thing, but manipulative deception is quite another. I enjoy debate and I don't mind being convinced by a good argument. I do mind being lied to and emotionally blackmailed.
So to return to my question, which you have not answered: How does the BITE model apply or not apply to SGI in your opinion?
Best,
Lisa J.
No youre not getting thru to me, Greg, with reasoning like: I'm not about to run away screaming CULT!!! because of what SOMEONE ELSE LET HAPPEN TO THEM. I hope youre not surrounded by people with the same attitude if you ever let yourself get mugged.
Of course the members are in collusion with the leadership. The leadership acts in such away as to drive away members who DONT agree with them. The only people LEFT are the ones who worship Ikeda and read WT like it matters. They drove away folks like me, for example, who believed their press and found out that humanism was a loss leader for them. I let them lie like rugs to me. Yes, I guess I did that.
But again, Greg, Ive never asked you to leave your religion or change anything but the title of your blog to one that more accurately reflects what goes on there.
P.
Lisa,
I feel I'm repeating myself. The BITE model is intellectual garbage. Asking how it does or doesn't apply to anything is like asking how to explain a forest fire in terms of phlogiston. The term "cult" has no objective meaning; its application is not warranted by fact by rather by evalution. It means "a religion I don't like."- Brian
I dunno, Brian. I see some validity to BITE. Tho I don't know what phlogiston is...
I mean, groups exhert a huge amount of pressure on people. They can have a powerful pulling effect on peoples' psyches. To say that there is no element of manipulation that can occur seems to me to be missing half the picture.
Even within the teachings of The Big Neech there is the concept of "The Oneness of Life and Environment." Does that not mean that tho we may have power over ourselves, the environment also has power over us?
Add to the mix sytematic lying to members, confusing and contradictory directions, all aimed at people who are probably by definition a bit vulnerable (after all, they're either joining a religion or have been part of it their whole lives), I think there's a decent argument for the existence mind control.
And hey, maybe those Presbyterians WERE using a bit of mind control on you way back when. Were you afraid of being punished for leaving? Was that an idea that you came up with out of thin air or did they help you along the way to believe that?
P.
Brian, is it your position, then, that cults don't exist? There's no such thing? The People's Temple at Jonestown, Heaven's Gate and the Moonies are just religions that some people don't like -- not cults?
You may have created your own definition for the word cult, but the rest of the English-speaking world apparently has other ideas. Check out
http://www.apologeticsindex.org/c09.html
for a good examination of the word.
You call the BITE model "intellectual trash" but you have offered no evidence of that, nor have you refuted its application to SGI. Instead you offered links to CESNUR, a known cult-apologist web site (which claims that SGI "parted ways" with Nichiren Shoshu rather than "was excommunicated.") You claimed that the APA has rejected cult mind control as hogwash, when in fact Philip Zimbardo, professor of psychology at Stanford University, as well as former and current president of the APA has said:
"A remarkable thing about cult mind control is that it's so ordinary in the tactics and strategies of social influence employed. They are variants of well-known social psychological principles of compliance, conformity, persuasion, dissonance, reactance, framing, emotional manipulation, and others that are used on all of us daily to entice us: to buy, to try, to donate, to vote, to join, to change, to believe, to love, to hate the enemy.
"Cult mind control is not different in kind from these everyday varieties, but in its greater intensity, persistence, duration, and scope. One difference is in its greater efforts to block quitting the group, by imposing high exit costs, replete with induced phobias of harm, failure, and personal isolation."
http://www.csj.org/studyindex/studycult/study_zimbar.htm dead link
Perhaps you think you know better, Brian, but you have offered nothing substantive to support the position that I'm talking "intellectual trash" when I term SGI a cult. My word choice offends your personal sensibilities and personal understanding of the word cult, perhaps, but that's hardly an objective or learned argument.
Best,
Lisa J.
Losangelesmikey was right in observing that the Gakkai's angle on Buddhism has little or nighting to do with Buddhism as most people who have studied it would conceive of it. That does make it difficult to talk to people who have been trained in mindfulness or in the eightfold path - how do you tell smeone to throw away and discard something which has been working well for them? It's not like we couldn't use a "right speech" precept every now and again. Talk to you tomorrow. Byrd
Eneter a voice of moderation, calm, and objectivity. Yes, folks, I mean Moi! I adore both Brian and Lisa, and am perturbed by the current dispute. I suggest to both dear folks that this is a word warble, not worthy of much more than a smile and an acknowledgement of different leanings.
Lisa is cusrrently moving further away from her former closeness with and attraction to the SGI-USA, for reasons of her own and which need no justification (to anyone else).
Brian is strongly supportive of the SGI-USA in at least its potential and in its manifestation in his own experience, also for reasons of his own and which need no justification (to anyone else).
Lisa sees some value in use of the word "cult" in this context, and I think she makes a fair case for that. On the other hand, Brian objects, and his case is fair as well.
Hmmm... I'm not very good at this mediation thing, am I? Anyone wanta argue about something?
Never mind. Carry on.
Andy
I am currently reading Steve Hassan's, "Releasing the Bonds" which has been quite enlightening. In reference to people who dispute the concept of mind control, he states:
"If mind control is nothing but a hoax, why does professor and former Western Psychological Association President Philip Zimbardo teach a course at Stanford university called 'The Psychology of Mind Control'?
"Cult propagandists love to try to convince members that 'mind control is not recognized by mental health professionals.' One simple retort is to cite the DSM-IV, American Psyciatric Association's diagnostic manual that specifically mentions cults and brainwashing under 300.15, "Dissociative Disorder NOS." Of course, you can also cite the favorable reviews of Combatting Cult Mind Control in The Lancet and The American Journal of Psyciatry in 1990."
There are reputable people who don't think that mind control is an urban myth, eg Dr Phillip G. Zimbardo, APA President in 2002
http://www.zimbardo.com
http://www.apa.org/monitor/nov02/cults.html
Some groups which try to debunk the idea of mind control such as Cesnur are known cult apologists. See:
http://www.apologeticsindex.org/c11.html
Apologetics Index - What You Should Know About Pro-Cult Apologists
http://www.snafu.de/~tilman/faq-you/cult.apologists.txt dead link
Robert
Hi everybody! Just to say, I haven't gone away -- despite my irate posting about a hundred posts back implying that I was whooming off to shroom land, praying with Micha, other such outlandishess. I'm enjoying it here in the peanut gallery. Keep it up, Lisa, Brian, Andy, yay et al! This is better than TV!
Cheers.
Brian Campbell
SGI-USA is not The Sims (http://thesims.ea.com/us/index.html?menu=about&content=about/index.html), dead link as much as some may think.